Chapters 3 and 4 cover some interesting and controversial topics in education. Looking at what Wagner says on "testing" and the real world application, I completely agree with his statement "While all employers need workers who solve problems, they do not find that students who have taken the usual math and science courses and passed the tests can apply this content to solving real problems." With these types of standardized testing, how are students supposed to learn life skills? What are they really proving, other than the ability to memorize and recite? It was interesting, but not in any way surprising, to hear that when students were asked about their most engaging experience in high school, they began to recall clubs and extracurricular activities. It was sad, however, to here the laughter and feeling of time wasted when it came to academics. This is what we hope educators and leaders today are working to prevent.